(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:25 pm
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> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
I don't know enough about Jack Toresal yet to decide, for myself, if
it's okay, for me, to pay $25 for it. There have been technical
difficulties with the online demo and I'll have to wait 'til those are
resolved before I can evaluate it for my own tastes.
I have no idea if it's okay for _you_ to do it. The way it works is:
if something (anything) seems worth the price to you, and you have the
money available, then you can buy it, if you want to. Or not.
But on the broader, different question posed in the subject line: heck
yeah. Make it rock my world and I'll pony up appropriately. There's a
lot of IF in the world, but the amount of IF that rocks my world seems
to be _painfully_ finite. In a couple of years, give or take, I'll be
all out unless the supply is boosted, so I'm entirely in favor of
commercial choices being available.
But IF is like any other medium: worthless on its own, a blank spot
with no intrinsic value, only potential. I'd no more pony up $25 for
any-old-random-work-of-IF than I'd pony up $25 for any-old-book or any-
old-DVD or any-old-videogame or any-old-music-CD.
It's gotta rock me. Unless, of course, it's aimed at you, instead
(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:25 pm
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Here, Francesco Cordella wrote:
> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
Okay? You mean, ethical? Morally defensible?
I paid for _Jack Toresal_, and I have experienced no feelings of
guilt or shame.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:12 pm
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On Jul 1, 5:21 pm, Francesco Cordella
wrote:
> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
Since the USA, collectively, just spent $200,000,000 to see
Transformers 2, I am personally more than happy to pay $25 for a piece
of new IF.
(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:23 pm
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On Jul 1, 6:21 pm, Francesco Cordella
wrote:
> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:49 pm
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On Jul 1, 7:21 pm, Francesco Cordella
wrote:
> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
Well, as others have pointed out, your question is phrased somewhat
ambiguously. Is it "okay" as in morally acceptable? No more or less
than buying any game, book, video, etc. Is it "okay" as in the
price? Depends on if the target audience thinks the game is worth
that much. Is it "okay" in how it will affect the IF community?
Well, it'd be great to get IF out to a larger audience. On the author
hand, we currently have authors turning out extraordinary quality work
(think Worlds Apart or Blue Lacuna) for free; I'd rather not have
things change to a situation where if you want quality IF, you have to
pay. I don't buy any computer games nowadays, so if IF went
commercial...
(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:25 pm
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In article ,
Andrew Plotkin wrote:
>Here, Francesco Cordella wrote:
>> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
>> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
>Okay? You mean, ethical? Morally defensible?
>
>I paid for _Jack Toresal_, and I have experienced no feelings of
>guilt or shame.
I paid $26 for a few drinks at a bar today. Jack Toresal would likely
give me more lasting pleasure.
(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:53 pm
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In article ,
Francesco Cordella wrote:
> Do you think it is ok, today, to pay 25 dollars for an IF piece, like
> Mike Gentry's Jack Toresal?
No. Someone better contact Obama and alert him to this evil
profiteering. We need more regulation in IF!
I don't mean to be offensive here, but why is it any business of yours
what price someone wants to charge for their product? Are you aware that
it makes you look like a real busybody?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:53 pm
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On Jul 2, 6:53 pm, Poster wrote:
>
> I don't mean to be offensive here, but why is it any business of yours
> what price someone wants to charge for their product? Are you aware that
> it makes you look like a real busybody?
>
> --
> Poster
Well, seeing as he is part of the IF community, which I tend to think
makes up at least part of the market for commercial IF...
Potential customers have a right to be interested in the price of the
product, dontcha think?
(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:53 pm
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> Potential customers have a right to be interested in the price of the
> product, dontcha think?
If you're interpreting the OP as a potential customer being
"interested" in the price of the product, I want some of those drugs
you're hoarding.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:41 pm
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On Jul 2, 9:32 pm, "S. John Ross" wrote:
>
> If you're interpreting the OP as a potential customer being
> "interested" in the price of the product, I want some of those drugs
> you're hoarding.
I really wish google had a "rolling eyes" emoticon right now. I
never said the OP started this thread out of interest in purchasing
the product; I said that he is part of the IF community (this is
rec.games.INT-FICTION, correct? ) and therefore part of the target
audience. The comment I was responding to was NOT addressing whether
the OPs post was out of interest in the buying the product, it was a
statement that if you question why something costs a certain amount,
it is none of your beeswax and makes you look like a busybody.
And, before anyone brings it up, I'm aware that the IF community is
not the 'main' target audience. However, as threads advertising
Textfyre's products have been posted on the rec.*.int-fiction groups,
I think it's obvious that we are at least a small part of that
audience.
(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:45 am
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> I never said the OP started this thread out of interest in purchasing
> the product;
And I never said you did. As a point of novelty, I responded to what
you actually _did_ say.
(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:07 pm
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> >It's a habit you may want to look into.
>
> Yeah, thanks a LOT for giving away the hook for _Stiffy Makane And The
> Naughty Nun_.
I'm personally most excited about "Stiffy Makane: There's The Rub,"
and I think you made the right decision not doing the entire thing in
iambic pentameter.
(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:25 am
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In article ,
S. John Ross wrote:
>It's a habit you may want to look into.
Yeah, thanks a LOT for giving away the hook for _Stiffy Makane And The
Naughty Nun_.
(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:25 pm
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In article ,
S. John Ross wrote:
>> >It's a habit you may want to look into.
>> Yeah, thanks a LOT for giving away the hook for _Stiffy Makane And The
>> Naughty Nun_.
>I'm personally most excited about "Stiffy Makane: There's The Rub,"
>and I think you made the right decision not doing the entire thing in
>iambic pentameter.
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